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places in afghanistan where there are stories and continuing reports that iranian munitions and arms are arriving there. >> you are right. it is an ongoing concern. i have to put it in perspective though, because this is nothing from the weaponry coming in from iran. because if you look at that coming in from pakistan is two times less than iran. that doesn't mean it is insignificant, and we have to look for the trends in the weaponry, because if it is escalating in a major way, we have to think about responses and those could include the full range none of which are satisfying, but we may have to put more forces in the west of afghanistan and devote more afghan capability to the western border which is one of the defensive things you can do and think of some offensive actions. >> indeed. now, we are guard to pakistan, isn't withholding $800 million potentially self-injurious, because we, america, is relying on the pakistan army to fight radical islamic terrorists in their own backyard without those fund, and doesn't that stymie our attempt to fight al qaeda? >> absolutely. this is a
route for aid into afghanistan, so i think what's happening now is that calmer heads are starting to prevail, and i think if these one-on-one talks with the head of the cia and the head of the isi and perhaps with secretary clinton, you're going to see an opportunity to salvage this very important but very tense and troubled relationship. >> indeed. thanks so much for your insight. >>> next, the murdoch hacking scandal moves to the halls of capitol hill. stay with us. us restoring rinse. it's the only listerine® that gets teeth two shades whiter and makes tooth enamel two times stronger. get dual-action listerine® whitening rinse. building whiter, stronger teeth. >>> another high-stakes meeting at the white house begins in just under 40 minute, but it's hard to exaggerate how serious this situation has become, with both sides apparently at loggerheads over how to raise the debt ceiling by the beginning of august. congresswoman loretta sanchez is a congresswoman from california, and i'm delighted to say she joins us. good afternoon. >> good afternoon. thanks for having me. >> do
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